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Subject: Re: RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive

On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:28:51 +0200
Matthias Saou <matthias@rpmforge.net> wrote:

# I've never heard of any CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive having problems with
# DMA... although there probably is since Red Hat decided to default
# disabling it a few releases back :-/

When I worked as a PC repair tech for a Computer store chain, I did
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Subject: [use Perl] Stories for 2002-09-11

use Perl Daily Newsletter

In this issue:
 * DynDNS.org Offers Free DNS To Perl Sites

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| posted by KM on Tuesday September 10, @08:23 (news) |
| http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/10/1225228 |
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[0]krellis writes "[0]DynDNS.org today [1]announced that it will provide
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Anyone have a copy of Gill Sans or Bell Centennial I can borrow? I wonder if
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stupendously incredible for far more things than I can list here points out
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Tufte notes: Terrie Miller[3].

First ammendement beer bash.

iSync Beta[4] (guess they learned a lesson from iCal) is out.

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Subject: RE: Java is for kiddies

On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Reza B'Far (eBuilt) wrote:

> 2. C and C++ forces the developer to solve problems such as memory
> management over and over again. IMHO, Java is superior because the problem
> of programming in the future is not about 0's and 1's, making the compiler
> 2% faster, or making your code take 5% less memory... It's about design
> patterns, architecture, high level stuff...

Considering 90% of the fake job posting I see are for embedded systems or
device drivers - C still rules the world.

> 3. Java is not just a programming language! It's also a platform... There
> is NOTHING like the standard API's in Java in C and C++. Everyone defines
> their own API's, people end up solving the same problems ten different ways

The problem is the problem you're trying to solve is never the same. Java
will soon suffer API-rot (alot of poeple are already complaining about it),
it's just new. C was clean in the beginning too. API-rot is PURELY a
function of age.

> 4. If you have a program of any type of high complexity written in C, you
> can't possibly think that you could port it to different platforms within
> the same magnitude of cost as Java....

I do this all the time, It's alot easier then you think if the original
programmer had a clue at all... Java does remove the clue requirement tho,
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> 5. Makes no sense for a scientific or a business project to depend on a
> person... Java, IMHO, reduces the dependence of these entities on the
> individual developer as it is much easier to reverse engineer Java as it is
> to reverse engineer C (large applications).

No it's not, but you can hire teams of Javites for cheap at your local high
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On Saturday, August 31, 2002, at 01:45 AM, Adam L. Beberg wrote:
> Personally I don't think Americans will ever go electric, there is too
> much
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Subject: Re: Sorting

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:20:56 PDT,
 J C Lawrence <claw@kanga.nu> wrote:

> On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:36:37 -0400
> Tom Reingold <noglider@pobox.com> wrote:
>
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>
> Ahh. At work we fire people who use Outlook (Literally true: They get
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Why? What threat does Outlook pose to your organization?

> > But it does a few things right. Like making indices for each folder,
> > and not just by date, but also by sender, message size, subject. So I
> > can sort by any column instantly.
>
> Have you looked into using a custom sequences file?

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> > And mime handling is pretty bad compared with modern mailers.
>
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Subject: RE: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?

Guys, the Habeas Infringers List (HIL) exists explicitly to deal with
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Please note that nobody has ever had an incentive before to go after
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pyramid schemes, and ISPs have won some theft of service suits, but the
vast majority of spammers go forward with out any legal hassles. So, I
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the business they spammed on behalf of. We can subpoena the records of
the ISP that provided them service, and of the credit card they used for
the whack-a-mole accounts. We can use private investigators. Yes,
these people are often lowlifes (chickenboners). But, they're not
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Habeas has the incentive to pursue spammers (that use our warrant mark)
in a way that no one ever has had before. Given that our whole business
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understand why you would assume ahead of time that we will be
unsuccessful, plan for that failure, and in so doing, remove the
potential of success, which is anti-spam filters like SA acting on the
Habeas warrant mark.

Daniel, it's easy enough for you to change the Habeas scores yourself on
your installation. If Habeas fails to live up to its promise to only
license the warrant mark to non-spammers and to place all violators on
the HIL, then I have no doubt that Justin and Craig will quickly remove
us from the next release. But, you're trying to kill Habeas before it
has a chance to show any promise.

At the end of the day, SpamAssassin is like the Club, in that it
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without SA) rather than yours. Habeas can play the role of LoJack (the
transmitter), in enabling the apprehension of thieves so that they don't
steal any more cars. But only if we're given a chance to succeed.

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 16:38
To: Matthew Cline
Cc: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?

Matthew Cline <matt@nightrealms.com> writes:

> There must be *some* way of tracking a spammer down, since they are
> planning on making money from the spam. What a court would consider
> evidence of being the spammer is another question.

Haha!!!

Just a few notes:

 - It will be difficult to find, prosecute, and win money from someone
 in various non-friendly countries where spam originates (China is a
 good example) even if they do officially "respect" copyright law.

 - Law suits take time. Between now and conclusion of the first court
 case, we could have years of spam in our mail boxes!

 - Contact information can change: phone numbers, PO boxes, stolen
 cell phones, temporary email addresses, etc.

 - Spammers do not always remember to include contact information! I
 don't understand it either, but nobody said they were bright. Also,
 some spam is non-commercial or sent by a third-party (for example,
 "pump and dump" stock scams), so contact information is not strictly
 required for the spammer to get their way.

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Subject: Re: [SAtalk] 2800 sightings this month

At 1:16 PM -0400 8/22/02, Theo Van Dinter wrote:
>On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 07:05:33PM +0200, Malte S. Stretz wrote:
>> Ummm... has somebody noticed that spamassassin-sightings is the fourth most
>> active list for this month on [1]? There is more sighting than talk and
>> devel together ;-)
>
>hmmm. do people know that they should only send false negatives there?
>either there's a lot of stuff SA is missing, or some people are just
>sending all their spam there.

I've sent in some spam that either didn't score or scored practically
nothing, like below 5. I figure that most people run at 5 so if it
scores less than that, a rule needs to be honed to catch it.

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Subject: [ILUG] WE NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE TO INVEST IN YOUR COUNTRY

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am well confident of your capability to assist me in
a transaction for mutual benefit of both parties, ie
(me and you) I am also believing that you will not
expose or betray the trust and confidence I am about
to establish with you. I have decided to contact you
with greatest delight and personal respect.

Well, I am VICTOR SANKOH, Son to Mr.FODAY
SANKOH
who was arrested by the ECOMOG PEACE KEEPING FORCE
months ago in my country Sierra Leone.
Few days before the arrest of my father, he confided
in me and ordered me to go to his underground safe and
move out immediately, with a Deposit Agreement and
Cash Receipt he made with a security Company in
Abidjan Cote d'Ivoire where he deposited One Iron Box
containing USD$ 22 million dollars cash (Twenty Two
Million dollars).

This money was made from the sell of Gold and Diamond
by my FATHER and he have already
decided to use this money for future investment of
the family before his arrest.

Thereafter, I rushed down to Abidjan with these
documents and confirmed the deposit of the box by my
father. Also, I have been granted political stay as a
Refugee by the Government of C�te d'Ivoire.

Meanwhile, my father have instructed me to look for a
trusted foreigner who can assist me to move out this
money from C�te d'Ivoire immediately for investment .
Based on this , I solicit for your assistance to
transfer this fund into your Account, but I will
demand for the following requirement:

(1) Could you provide for me a safe Bank Account where
this fund will be transferred to in your country or
another neaarby country where taxation will not
takegreat toll on the money?

(2) Could you be able to assist me to obtain my
travelling papers after this transfer to enable me
come over to meet you in your country for
theinvestment of this money?

(3) Could you be able to introduce me to a profitable
business venture that would not require much technical
expertise in your country where part of this fund
willbe invested?

Please, all these requirements are urgently needed as
it will enable me to establish a stronger business
relationship with you hence I will like you to be the
general overseer of the investment thereafter. I am a
Christian and I will please, want you to handle this
transaction based on the trust I have established
on you.

For your assistance in this transaction, I have
decided to offer you 12% percent commission of the
total amount at the end of this business. The security
of this business is very important to me and as such,
I would like you to keep this business very
confidential. I shall be expecting your urgent reply.
Thank you and God bless you.

VICTOR SANKOH

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Subject: Re: SF Weekly's Ultimate SF Date lineup :-)

SF Weekly:
>Nothing's more enticing than an evening cruise around San Francisco Bay,
>and the islands, bridges, and lights of the city are especially entrancing
>viewed from this vintage brigantine schooner. Built in 1933 and recently
>restored to its former glory, the 78-foot Rendezvous looks like a clipper
>ship out of the Gold Rush era, with its 80-foot masts and square-rigged
>sails.

That sounds like fun. But it sets the wrong precedent.
Here's the better idea. Invite her for an afternoon
cruise under the Golden Gate bridge in your Stonehorse
day sailor. Under way, ask her if she'd like to take
the stick. Back at slip, cook her dinner. Something
simple, but good, maybe a stir fry or a stew, served
in the cockpit, with an inexpensive but potable wine.

If she runs away after that, 'tis good riddance. If
she wants to try it again, another day, she shows
promise. If she asks you to show her the V berth, you
have a girlfriend. If she notes your brightwork needs
another coat, and asks what you're using on it,
propose on the spot.

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Subject: RE: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)

quitcherbraggin.

:-)
gg

-----Original Message-----
From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of CDale
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:42 AM
To: bitbitch@magnesium.net
Cc: Adam L. Beberg; fork@spamassassin.taint.org
Subject: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)

I dunno, BB. Women who like to be thought of this way should have the
right to choose to be treated this way. Men too... ahem. (: My boy
cleans, washes clothes, cooks, fixes stuff, etc, and works the same number
of hours I do, sometimes more, if he has to catch up with me. (: I
close him because he is industrious and creative, and because he
unfailingly makes my bed the minute I get out of it. And boy #2 will be
here soon to help boy #1 with other things such as pedicures, backrubs,
and sure, fucking. LOL! (along with the aforementioned "chores") Adam can
have his cake and eat it too, if he can only find the right girl who has
the same beliefs about gender roles that he has. Of course, he has NO
clue where to look, so we will be constantly laughing at him while he
stumbles around in the dark.
Cindy
P.S. the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor -- only
the order in which they move into my house. -smiles at chris-
P.S. #2. I'm moving. Going to New Orleans. Can't handle any more cab
driving. The summer sucked here on the MS Gulf Coast, instead of rocking
like it normally does. Wish me luck. I'm going to look for another
computer job. Le Sigh. (:

On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:

> Hello Adam,
>
> Thursday, September 05, 2002, 11:33:18 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> ALB> So, you're saying that product bundling works? Good point.
>
> Sometimes I wish I was still in CA. You deserve a good beating every
> so often... (anyone else want to do the honors?)
>
> ALB> And how is this any different from "normal" marriage exactly? Other
then
> ALB> that the woman not only gets a man, but one in a country where both
she and
> ALB> her offspring will have actual opportunities? Oh and the lack of
> ALB> "de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded" choices?
>
> Mmkay. For the nth time Adam, we don't live in the land of
> Adam-fantasy. Women actually are allowed to do things productive,
> independent and entirely free of their male counterparts. They aren't
> forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels. Sometimes,
> and this will come as a shock to you, no doubt, men and women even
> find -love- (which is the crucial distinction between this system) and
> they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together. I
> know, far-fetched and idealistically crazy as it is, but such things
> do happen. I can guarantee you, if my mother was approached by my
> father, and 25 years ago, he commented on her cleaning ability as a
> motivator for marrying her, we would not be having this conversation
> now.
>
> If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then
> their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. Again, these
> situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the relationship
> is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a prostitute he
> doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't impoverished
> and teeming with AIDS. A contract, versus a true love-interest
> marriage.
>
> Egh. I really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent. I
> blame law school and my cat.
>
> -BB
>
> ALB> - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
> ALB> http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
> ALB> beberg@mithral.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Subject: In praise of evolvable formats

URL: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2002/10/08.html#in_praise_of_evolvable_formats
Date: 2002-10-08T12:28:10-05:00

_Clay Shirky_: In Praise of Evolvable Systems[1]. This entire article could be
rewritten to explain RSS. In fact, let's do that.

If it were April Fool's Day, the Net's only official holiday, and you wanted to
design a “novelty format” to slip by the W3C as a joke, it might
look something like RSS 0.9x/2.0:

- It would specify limits on data values, then remove them, then specify
required elements, then make them optional, thus silently breaking an unknown
number of parsers around the world.
- It would encourage use of entity-encoded HTML in its most important element,
thus ensuring both security risks and unpredictable display for the end user.
- It would ignore years of standards work in other fields, committing such
egregious sins as defining a guid element that wasn't a GUID, and using an
obsolete date format that couldn't easily be sorted by date.
- Its primary method of extensibility would be to add new elements to the core
namespace without telling anyone or documenting them, thus making it wholely
resistant to DTD, schema, or validation of any kind.
- After years of worldwide deployment, it would completely reverse its
add-whatever-you-want extensibility rules in favor of namespaces, which the
spec would neither define nor elaborate on.
- After adopting namespaces, it would fail to deprecate any existing elements
semantically identical to namespace elements already in wide use. It would also
fail to provide precedence rules in cases where a document attempted to say the
same thing in two different ways, thus ensuring mass confusion among producers
and inconsistent behavior across consumers.

RSS 0.9x and 2.0 are the Whoopee Cushion and Joy Buzzer of syndication formats.
For anyone who has tried to accomplish anything serious with metadata, it's
pretty obvious that of the various implementations of a worldwide syndication
format, we have the worst one possible.

Except, of course, for all the others.

The problem with that list of RSS deficiencies is that it is also a list of
necessities—RSS has flourished in a way that no other syndication format
has, not despite many of these qualities but because of them. The very
weaknesses that make RSS so infuriating to serious practitioners also make it
possible in the first place.

- Removing length limitations on description and making title optional opened
up RSS to a whole new category of producer: the weblogger.
- Allowing encoded HTML in description let publishers reuse both their existing
content and the existing RSS infrastructure, without requiring them to produce
valid XHTML (which could be embedded directly into an XML document). Social
mores, rather than technical rules, prevent producers from intentionally
introducing security risks through malicious script tags or unpredictable
display through unclosed HTML elements.
- Few publishing tools can produce real conforming GUIDs, and it doesn't
matter, because virtually all RSS parsers are written in high level languages
where handling strings is more efficient than converting strings to bytecodes
and handling bytecodes. As for dates, by convention an RSS document is laid out
in reverse chronological order, and no one seems to be clamoring for more
flexibility.

Furthermore, its almost babyish XML syntax, so far from any serious
computational framework (Where are the namespaces? Where is the Document Type
Description? Why is the aggregators' enforcement of conformity so lax?), made
it possible for anyone wanting an RSS feed to write one. The effects of this
ease of implementation only become clear when you compare it to the attempts
over the years to “do RSS right”—most notably RSS 1.0 in the
year 2000. RSS 1.0 had three main benefits:

- Backward compatible with RSS 0.90, which was never widely deployed, and which
fell into obscurity as soon as (the much simpler) RSS 0.91 was introduced.
- Based on RDF (specifically a serialization called RDF/XML), a spec which, at
the time and to this day, continues to change or threaten to change. Two years
later, there are no major languages or development platforms that ship with
parsers to consume RDF, although many (Perl, Python, .NET) have third-party RDF
parsers in various states of development and conformance. (The release version
is generally out of date; CVS access is recommended. You get the idea.)
Meanwhile, RDF/XML production tools are so inconsistent that even RDF experts
recommend not using RDF tools to produce an RSS 1.0 feed if you want it to
actually be read by any major RSS aggregator. Despite the two-year-old promise
of better tools[2], it is now the year 2002, and I built my RSS 1.0
feed—in the most sophisticated personal publishing system in the
world—by manually typing a mishmash of template tags and angle brackets
into a TEXTAREA of an HTML form.
- Extensible through namespaces, which, as mentioned above, have been
haphazardly and poorly incorporated into RSS 2.0, where they appear to be
flourishing.

Evolvable formats—those that proceed by being adapted and extended in a
thousand small ways—have three main characteristics that are germane to
their eventual victories over strong, centrally designed formats.

- Only solutions that produce partial results with imperfect tools can succeed.
My RSS feed is an XML document produced by a template that I built in a
TEXTAREA, and consumed by hundreds of parsers around the world that know
nothing of XML and hack apart my feed with regular expressions. The world is
littered with formats that would have worked if only everyone had better tools.
If everyone in the world had a perfect RDF parser at their disposal, it would
be trivial to produce and consume all the world's metadata in RDF. Without such
perfect tools, both production and consumption instantly become nightmares.
There is no middle ground.
- What is, is wrong. Because evolvable formats have always been adapted to
earlier conditions and are always being further adapted to present conditions,
they are always behind the times. RSS was being stretched with long
descriptions, optional titles, and entity-encoded HTML even before such
practices were codified in the spec, and long before all consumers could handle
them. No evolving format is ever perfectly in sync with the challenges it
faces.
- Finally, Orgel's Rule, named for the evolutionary biologist Leslie
Orgel—“Evolution is cleverer than you are”. As with the list
of RSS's obvious deficiencies above, it is easy to point out what is wrong with
any evolvable system at any point in its life. No one seeing RSS 1.0 and RSS
0.91 side-by-side could doubt that RSS 1.0 had the superior technology, that it
“did things right”. However, the ability to understand what is
missing at any given moment does not mean that one person or a small central
group can design a better system in the long haul.

Designed formats start out strong and improve logarithmically. Evolvable
formats start out weak and improve exponentially. RSS 2.0 is not the perfect
syndication format, just the best one that's also currently practical.
Infrastructure built on evolvable formats will always be partially incomplete,
partially wrong and ultimately better designed than its competition.

[1] http://www.shirky.com/writings/evolve.html
[2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/syndication/message/467


Subject: Re: Java is for kiddies

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam L. Beberg" <beberg@mithral.com>
>
> Memory management is a non-issue for anyone that has any idea at all how
the
> hardware functions.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice
there is.


Subject: [ILUG-Social] HELLO

OFFICE OF:EGNR. FEMI DANIEL
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING
FEDERAL SECRETARIAT OFFICE COMPLEX
IKOYI-LAGOS.

ATTN:,

First, I must solicit your strictest confidence in this transaction, this is by virtue of its nature as being utterly confidential and top secret as you were introduced to me in confidence through the Nigeria Chamber of Commerce and Industries.

We are top officials from the Federal Ministry of Works and Housing,(FMW&H), Federal Ministry of Finance and the Presidency, making up the Contract Review Panel(CRP) set up by the Federal Government of Nigeria to review contracts awarded by the past military administration.

In the course of our work on the CRP, we discovered this fund which resulted from grossly over - invoiced contracts which were executed for the FMW&H during the last administration.The companies that executed the contracts have been duly paid and the contracts commissioned leaving the sum of US$21.4 Million floating in the escrow account of the Central Bank of Nigeria ready for payment.

I have therefore been mandated as a matter of trust by my colleagues in the panel to look for an overseas partner to whom we could transfer the sum of US21.4 legally subcontracting the entitlement to your company.This is bearing in mind that our civil service code of conduct forbids us from owning foreign companies or operating foreign accounts while in government service, hence the need for an overseas partner.

We have agreed that the funds will be shared thus after it has been paid into your account.
(1) 30% of the money will go to you for acting as the beneficiary of the fund.
(2) 10% has been set aside as an abstract projection for reimbursement to both parties for incidental expences that may be incurred in the course of the transaction.
(3) 60% to us the government officials (with which we intend to commence an importation business in conjunction with you)

All logistics are in place and all modalities worked out for the smooth conclusion of the transaction within ten to fourteen days of commencement after receipt of the following information; your full names, company's name, address,details & activities, telephone & fax numbers.These information will enable us make the applications and lodge claims to the concerned ministries & agencies in favour of your company and it is pertinent to state here that this transaction is entirely based on trust as the solar bank draft or certified cheque drawable in any of the Central Bank of Nigeria correspondent bankers around the world is going to be made in your name.

Please acknowledge the reciept of this letter using the above e-mail or the Alternative: femi1855@aol.com to reply me.

Yours faithfully,

Egnr. Femi Daniel.

NB:Bank Account Details not necessary as preferred mode of payment is by draft or cheque.

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Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Lotus Notes users?

On Saturday 07 September 2002 23:22 CET Daniel Quinlan wrote:
> Craig Hughes <craig@hughes-family.org> writes:
> > How about configuring SA to set precendence to "low" for spam
> > messages, then filter on that -- no real human I've ever seen has
> > actually set precendence to low on real mail.
>
> Assuming there isn't a better way for Lotus Notes users, we could
> create a "Precedence: spam" convention. The only two Precedence:
> headers I've seen (aside from one or two odd messages) are "bulk" and
> "list". Adding a "spam" header makes sense given the convention.

I'd suggest using Precedence: junk. Albeit it's no standard header does most
Software already recognize it. Courier eg. doesn't send auto-replies to
mails with the Precedence bulk or junk. I think Outlook does handle these
special, too. [1] says:
| Autoresponses should always contain the header
| Precedence: junk
| Notice the spelling of "prec-e-dence". In particular, count the number of
| n:s (and a:s and s:es, if you're totally agraphic and/or from the United
| States). This will prevent well-tempered mail programs from generating
| bounce messages for these. If the recipient can't be reached, the
| autoresponder message is simply discarded.
| [...]
| (For what it's worth, the meaning of the Precedence header in practice is
| that it affects Sendmail so that messages identified as less important get
| moved back in the queue under high load. [...])

>[...]

Malte

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Subject: Re: alsa-driver rebuild fails with undeclared USB symbol

Once upon a time, Ville wrote :

> Not me, but IMHO it's kind of offtopic to put it in freshrpms.net RPMs.
> Upstream is the way to go...

Agreed, especially since my packages are primarily meant for the original
Red Hat Linux kernels. And someone removing USB support from his kernel is
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Subject: Re: Ouch... [Bebergflame]

On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Kragen Sitaker wrote:

> Adam Beberg writes:
> > Shouldn't a politician know not to tell the truth? Odds he's impeached by
>
> As the article you forwarded explained in the second line of text,
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>
> > next Monday? [ob: no-clue-how-they-remove-mayors-in-italy]
>
> ob: no-clue-full-stop, as in nearly all Adam Beberg posts.

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Subject: Re: [SAdev] phew!

jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes:

> Yes -- 50% of the entire set for training and 50% for evaluation.

Once you've settled on the final method for any one release, why not
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Subject: RE: [ILUG] eircom mail

>
>hi i was just wondering if anyone experiening difficulty with eircom
mail
>sever.I was trying to send mail from mozilla mail but it keeps coming
up
>with this error:
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>
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Subject: Re: Please help a newbie compile mplayer :-)

Make sure you rebuild as root and you're in the directory that you
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On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 23:44, rob bains wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I just installed redhat 7.2 and I think I have everything
> working properly. Anyway I want to install mplayer because I heard it
> can play quicktime movs. I apt-get source mplayer and dl'd it to
> /usr/src.
>
> I tried to just rpm --rebuild mplayer-20020106-fr1.src.rpm,
> then I get ; mplayer-20020106-fr1.src.rpm: No such file or directory.
>
> Any help or a link to some document would be appreciated, Thanks
> -rob
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Subject: Re: xmms and .mp3 files.

humberto@hpcf.upr.edu wrote:

>Redhat 8 disables all support for .mp3 files, relinking xmms with a zzmp3
>module. Does anyone have a fixed spec file for xmms? One that can play mp3's
>would be best.
>
>
>
oh xmms didn't work for me also
i used mpg123 i tought its something from me
like mplayer not working also and gives black screen

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Subject: [Spambayes] can't write to CVS...

[Skip Montanaro]
> I'm listed as a developer on SF and have the spambayes CVS module checked
> out using my SF username, but I'm unable to write to the repository. CVS
> complains:
>
> % cvs add unheader.py
> cvs [server aborted]: "add" requires write access to the repository
>
> Any thoughts?

Not really. Try again? About half the developers on the spambayes project
were missing some permission or other, so I ran thru all of them and checked
every damned box and clicked on every damn dropdown list I could find. As
far as SF is concerned, you're all sitting on God's Right Hand now, so if it
still doesn't work I suggest you upgrade to Win98 <wink>.


Subject: Re: ARRRGHHH Had GPG working, now it doesnt.

2 things - first, the switch parser changed in a subtle way with 8.4 -
byte-code compilation was added, and it is slightly more strict in
its parsing than the original parser. You can only have a comment where
Tcl would expect to find a command. Switch has a "pattern - body"
strucutre, so if you goof and put a comment where it is trying to find
a pattern, both of you will be confused with the results. The
subtlty arises with extra whitespace and newlines. I can't give you
the exact case, but I know exmh had one example that stopped parsing
correctly, and was arguably wrong before.

2nd - I've managed to remain fairly ignoranat of the PGP support in
exmh, so you'll have to dig in yourself or see if someone else on
exmh-users or exmh-workers is having similar problems.

>>>Reg Clemens said:
 > > If you haven't already, you should enable the debug log under
 > > Hacking Support preferences and look for clues there.
 > >
 > > >>>Reg Clemens said:
 > > > > Hi,
 > > > >
 > > > > On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:05:03 MDT Reg Clemens wrote:
 > > > >
 > > > > [...]
 > > > > > in messages with GnuPG signatures. But punching the line ALWAYS
 > > > > > gives
 > > > > >
 > > > > > Signature made Thu Aug 29 00:27:17 2002 MDT using DSA key I
 D BDD
 > > F997A
 > > > > > Can't check signature: public key not found
 > > > > >
 > > > > > So, something else is missing.
 > > > >
 > > > > Yes, the public key of the signature you want to check :-).
 > > > >
 > > > > Are you really sure that you have the public key of the message's
 > > > > signature? If not, try downloading it or try to check a signature fro
 m
 > > > > which you know you have the public key.
 > > > >
 > > > >
 > > > >
 > > >
 > > > Ah, sorry for not making that clearer.
 > > > But no.
 > > > Previously (v1.0.6 of GnuPG) there would be a slight pause at this poin
 t whi
 > > le
 > > > it went out to get the public key from a keyserver.
 > > > Now, whether I have the key or NOT, I get the failure message.
 > > >
 > > > Its as if it cant find gpg to execute it (but I fixed that path), so th
 ere
 > > > must be something else that I am missing...
 > > >
 > > >
 > > > --
 > > > Reg.Clemens
 > > > reg@dwf.com
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > > _______________________________________________
 > > > Exmh-users mailing list
 > > > Exmh-users@redhat.com
 > > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users
 > >
 > > --
 > > Brent Welch
 > > Software Architect, Panasas Inc
 > > Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network
 > > www.panasas.com
 > > welch@panasas.com
 > >
 >
 >
 > Partial solution.
 > And this MAY be related to using tcl/tk 8.4b1, as I had a similar
 > problem about a month ago elsewhere in EXMH (which you found).
 >
 > But first.
 > I really feel like something has changed out from under me
 > with my making no changes to EXMH. Namely, when I first got
 > GPG up and working (for reading signatures) all I did was
 > touch the 'Check Signature' button' and it went out and queried
 > the keyserver for me.
 > Now Im getting a separate box, after the failure to find the
 > public key on my keyring, asking me of I want to 'Query keyserver'
 >
 > I KNOW that I never had to touch a 'Query keyserver' button in
 > the past, but there it is now, and I havent touched EXMH. Spooky.
 >
 > I have been working back and forth between GPG 1.0.6 and 1.0.7
 > but its not clear how that could be the problem, as Im now getting
 > the 'Query' message when running either...
 >
 > ---
 >
 > OK, enough about my confusion.
 > The CURRENT problem seems to be a COMMENT in a SWITCH statement
 > at line 86 in pgpWWW.tcl. Tcl 8.4b1 doesnt like it and I get your
 > popup box. Remove it and no popupbox, but EXMH hangs (sigh).
 > So, not a complete solution, but at least a start.
 >
 > Thanks for the interest.
 >
 > Reg.Clemens
 > reg@dwf.com

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Subject: Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?

On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 11:48 AM, Robin Lynn Frank wrote:

> If I were a spammer, I'd simply set up a server, send out my
> spam with the
> Habeus headers and continue till I was reasonably certain I'd
> been reported.
> Then I'd simply reconfigure the server and reconnect to a
> different IP. As
> long as no one can establish my connection to the web sites my spam is
> directing people to, I'm home free.

Uh... the reason is simple. Habeas runs something called the
"Habeas Infringers List", and if you use their trademark without
their permission, you'll end up on it. Then, when you send spam
with the misappropriated header, users of SA (2.40 supports
this) will tag your mail as spam, rather than let it through.
This may be done independantly of your IP address, so be
prepared to constantly change domain names, and move your
servers as fast as you send spam.

Also, that little haiku is a copyrighted work, so not only CAN
Habeas sue, they MUST sue to protect their copyright. And since
it's a trademark as well, that's a double-whammy. Habeas has
some pretty high-powered legal people, who will gladly go to
town on violators.

The whole point here is to give them the legal leverage they
need to put spammers out of business, and not only block mail
from them, but allow through the things that really AREN'T spam.

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Subject: RE: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government.

when brickbats or fox exposes the folly of government they do so to
accomplish a specific end; dumping truckload after truckload of bad acts
proves their point: stupidity and greed typify government, therefore any
government is too much government.

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Subject: RE: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government.

Yes, you read the links.

Sorry, but exposing folly is not only humorous but also instructive. It
is only by exposing folly to ridicule that you stop it in the first
place.

'Brickbats' leans heavily on both, though the item I highlighted was a
'horror' item not a 'gee that is stupid' item. For an example of the
latter, see the city that wanted a woman to pay a ticket for parking in
an UNmarked no-parking space.

> From: Geege Schuman [mailto:geege@barrera.org]
>
> see my first line: I READ THE LINKS. brickbats. idiot.


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