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license: mit
tags:
- distributed-training
- old-hardware
- int8
- webgpu
- webrtc
---
# πΌ DaisyChain-Train β Old Hardware Training Pipeline
**Part of DaisyChain on π€ Hugging Face β https://huggingface.co/DaisyChainAI**
Model page (weights + card): https://huggingface.co/DaisyChainAI/DaisyChain-Train
---
> **In plain terms:** DaisyChain-Train lets you use **old / spare machines** to
> train neural networks. The training runs through **emulated GPU logic** β
> verified INT8 units (GUDA-style) that stand in for a GPU's math β so machines
> *without* a modern GPU can still do the work. Chain several together and they
> train one shared model as a cluster.
> Before you rely on it, see what it **can't** do β [Limitations](docs/LIMITS.md).
**Use the hardware you already have to train.** Each machine runs the emulated
GPU logic (verified INT8 units β multiply / requantize / ReLU) to compute the
model, and DaisyChain pools the machines data-parallel: device selection,
capacity-weighted sharding, gradient sync, a P2P setup, and a live dashboard.
Two ways to run β **Docker** or **Python**.
---
## β οΈ Read this first
DaisyChain-Train is for **small models on spare hardware**. It **pools compute,
not memory** (the model must fit on one machine), scaling is **sublinear**, and
it is **not** a substitute for a real GPU on large models. Full envelope in
**[docs/LIMITS.md](docs/LIMITS.md)** β please read it before relying on it.
---
## Feature list
### Python cluster trainer (`daisychain/`)
- **Data-parallel training across mixed machines** β each node trains its own
shard; gradients combine into the exact full-batch gradient, replicas stay
bit-identical.
- **Capacity-weighted sharding** β faster machines automatically take a
bigger share of the batch.
- **Emulated GPU compute (verified INT8 units)** β `VerifiedLinear` layers
run every forward multiply / requantize / ReLU through the bundled trained
units; cluster-wide unit-invocation counts printed by rank 0.
- **Bring your own model** β any `Task` (`build_model` / `sample` / `loss`)
via `DAISY_TASK`; template in `examples/my_task_template.py`.
- **Plain-float alternative task** β same cluster and pooling with ordinary
float math.
- **Live dashboard** (`daisychain-dashboard`) β readiness banner, P2P
connectivity scan, pooled cores/RAM, per-node capacity plan, live loss.
- **SpikeWhale control panel** (`spikewhale_panel`, `localhost:8899`) β
sliders for model size / training settings, any HF dataset you can access
(default streamed FineWeb-Edu), start/stop/re-adjust, live loss.
- **Docker demo cluster** β 3 nodes + dashboard in one command.
- **Windows helper** (`scripts\setup.bat`) and Tailscale mesh guide.
### DaisyChain-Web (`web/`) β browser P2P training
- **Zero-install nodes** β opening the page IS joining; devices on one
network auto-group (Snapdrop-style, by public IP).
- **Private cross-network rooms** β `?room=CODE` with **host approval** for
every join.
- **Full WebRTC mesh** β gradients travel peer-to-peer; the server only
signals and serves static files, it never sees weights or gradients.
- **Leader-follower runs** β whoever presses Start sets width / sequence /
batch-per-device / steps / learning rate for the whole group; config
broadcast on the wire.
- **Mid-run join** β late devices are synced in (weights + step) and
contribute from the next step.
- **Bit-identical replicas** β same seeded init, strict roster-order gradient
averaging, deterministic Adam with identical state on every peer; verified
live by per-step weight hashes.
- **Sync guard** β any weight-hash mismatch stops the run instead of
training past a fork; the step roster forbids silent partial averages.
- **Gradient repair** β a follower missing a roster gradient re-requests it
from the leader (8 steps retained), bit-exact, and the run continues.
- **Cross-device kernel probe** β every step, every device re-hashes a fixed
seeded int8 GEMM through its live kernel; catches broken arithmetic that
weight hashes cannot see.
- **Hardcoded FineWeb-Edu streaming** β the server reads random slices of
the 10BT parquet shards straight off the HF CDN via HTTP range requests
(pure-JS `hyparquet`); built-in corpus fallback offline.
- **Checkpoints** β download `.pt`, upload β **broadcast to the whole
group**; validated (magic, dims, tokenizer vocab) before accepting.
- **Inference kit** β one self-contained HTML file with the trained weights
baked in; generations offline, anywhere.
- **In-page generation** β prompt box on the trained model.
- **Old-hardware tier** β no WebGPU? The identical units run on CPU (same
bits, so CPU and GPU devices co-train in one group). There is no
plain-float path.
- **Large-message fragmentation** β multi-MB gradients/checkpoints chunked
at 48 KB over the data channels.
### Verified compute & kernels (web)
- **Verified INT8 units everywhere** β block-scaled int8 GEMM: exact LUT
products, exact int32 accumulation, bit-exact f32 epilogue with a pinned
rounding schedule; scales derived in JS f64 (division never runs on GPU).
- **Backends, best-first** β DP4A hardware int8 dot β LUT compute shader β
CPU mirror; every kernel **exact-gated at init** (bit-level compares) and
demoted to the mirror on any mismatch.
- **Continuous random-cell audit** at live training shapes.
- **Fused attention kernels** β gather/scatter head-strided qΒ·kα΅ and aΒ·v
straight from BTΓC layout (CUTLASS ex. 36/52 style).
- **QKV dual-GEMM fusion** β shared left operand quantized once, one batch-3
dispatch (ex. 45); bit-identical.
- **B2B MLP chain** β both MLP GEMMs back-to-back on GPU with fused per-row
absmax reduction and on-device quantize (ex. 13 + 23); WGSL-exact respec
with a fround-stepped JS mirror; fma-contraction-immune by construction.
- **Dispatch-optimized backward** β overlapped independent GEMMs, batch-3
sibling fusions (ex. 05/24); bit-identical gradients; optional int8 STE
backward path (dormant, 1.21Γ vs float).
### Verification stack (web)
- **Exact init gates** on every kernel, every device, every boot β including
gates that "gate the gate" with discriminating boundary inputs.
- **IEEE-754 binary32 oracle** in exact BigInt arithmetic β proves the JS
epilogue mirror is spec-correct (rejects the old mirror on 34% of inputs).
- **Metamorphic property suite** β reference-free relations + definitional
absolutes; **4/4** on an externally-authored bug corpus, matching the
differential gate.
- **RDNA2 ISA audit hardenings** β bit-level (β0-aware) gate comparisons;
proof that FMA contraction cannot change the quantize.
- **Eleven-suite test chain** (`cd web && npm test`) β convergence, replicas,
oracle, gates, properties, external corpus, **self-corpus** (the instruments
scored against my own bugs), B2B, optimizer, transformer LM, int8 backward;
results in [web/TEST_RESULTS.md](web/TEST_RESULTS.md).
- **Dirty-buffer gate** β the pool is poisoned before a re-sweep so state bugs
(a kernel assuming zeroed memory) are caught deterministically rather than
by ordering luck.
### Documentation
- Python: [QUICKSTART](docs/QUICKSTART.md), [LIMITS](docs/LIMITS.md),
[CUSTOM_TASK](docs/CUSTOM_TASK.md), [TAILSCALE](docs/TAILSCALE.md).
- Web: [Getting started](web/docs/GETTING_STARTED.md),
[Architecture](web/docs/ARCHITECTURE.md),
[Verification](web/docs/VERIFICATION.md),
[Troubleshooting](web/docs/TROUBLESHOOTING.md).
---
## Quick start
### Docker (most reliable β one command)
```bash
docker compose -f docker/docker-compose.yml up --build
# open http://localhost:8080
```
Brings up a 3-node demo cluster + dashboard on one machine.
### Python (real machines)
On every machine (`pip install -e .`):
```bash
export MASTER_ADDR=100.101.102.10 # coordinator IP (Tailscale 100.x recommended)
export MASTER_PORT=29560
export WORLD_SIZE=3
export RANK=0 # 1, 2, ... on the others
export GLOO_SOCKET_IFNAME=tailscale0 # your mesh / LAN NIC
daisychain-train
```
### Windows helper
```bat
scripts\setup.bat
```
An interactive menu: Docker, Python node, or just install deps.
Full walkthrough: **[docs/QUICKSTART.md](docs/QUICKSTART.md)**.
### π SpikeWhale control panel (sliders β real training)
```bash
python -m daisychain.spikewhale_panel
# open http://localhost:8899
```
A web control panel: pick model size / training settings with sliders, choose any
HuggingFace dataset you have access to (default: streamed FineWeb-Edu), hit
Start, and watch the live loss. Stop and re-adjust any time with
**β Back to settings**. Launches the real DaisyChain training underneath.
### π DaisyChain-Web (train by opening a browser tab)
```bash
cd web && npm install && node server.js
# open http://localhost:8787 on every device
```
Zero-install browser training: devices on the same network auto-group
(Snapdrop-style) and train a shared model **peer-to-peer over WebRTC**, computing
through the same verified INT8 units (WebGPU, with the identical units on CPU
for machines without it β there is no plain-float path). Private cross-network
rooms via `?room=CODE` with **host approval** β the room creator accepts each
device before it can join. Includes gradient averaging with a deterministic
Adam optimizer (identical state on every peer, nothing extra over the wire),
checkpoint **download** (.pt) and **upload β broadcast** so one device can
restore the whole group after a failure.
**Live demo:** https://huggingface.co/spaces/Quazim0t0/DaisyChain-Web
### Recent updates (July 2026) β DaisyChain-Web
**Verification stack** β the browser trainer's correctness is now *checked by
things that run*, not argued ([full results](web/TEST_RESULTS.md)):
- **IEEE-754 oracle** (`web/test_ieee.js`): a binary32 oracle built from the
standard in exact BigInt arithmetic proves the JS epilogue mirror is
spec-correct β and rejects the old round-once mirror on 34% of inputs.
- **Metamorphic properties + oracle mutation scoring** (`test_metamorphic.js`,
`test_corpus.js`): properties needing no reference implementation, scored
against an externally-authored bug taxonomy β **4/4**, matching the exact
differential gate's 4/4. Relations own the loop bugs; two definitional
absolutes (ReLU output range, a unit-scale integer anchor) own the value
bugs no relation can see.
- **Exact kernel gates on every live kernel**, a continuous audit at live
shapes, and a cross-device kernel probe (same seeded int8 GEMM, same hash on
every honest device, any backend). The audit's sampling was rebuilt against
a named bug class: its old constants (6 cells, 2% of GEMMs) bounded an
overhead that had never been measured (auditing *every* GEMM costs <0.01% of
a step), and uniform random cells cannot see a last-row/column bug at a
16512-wide output. Sampling is now **stratified** β the first cells are the
structural danger points, chosen deliberately. On a last-column bug, same
cell budget: uniform caught **5/300** audits, stratified **300/300**, with
zero false positives.
- **RDNA2 ISA audit**: reading a real GPU's shader ISA against our
determinism assumptions confirmed three of them on silicon (exact packed
int8 dot; correctly-rounded f32 add/mul; 1-ULP reciprocal β division stays
off the GPU) and produced two hardenings. (1) Real ISAs have non-IEEE
variants that **flush β0 to +0**; JS `!==` can't see that (`-0 !== 0` is
false), so all gates and audits now compare **bit patterns** β exactly what
the replica hash sees. (2) FMA contraction of the quantize's `xΒ·inv + 0.5`
(one rounding instead of two) turned out to be **floor-invisible by
construction** β proven in `test_b2b.js` with 175k+ last-ulp anomalies at
binade edges, zero surviving `floor()`. Rounding mode and denorm flushing
are runtime driver state on real hardware, which is why every device
re-runs the exact gates at every init.
**Training data** β FineWeb-Edu (10BT sample) is the hardcoded dataset. The
Space reads random slices of the parquet shards straight off the HF CDN with
range requests (pure-JS `hyparquet`, SNAPPY) and serves plain text at `/data`
β no dependency on the datasets-server rows API and its 503s.
**Resilience** β the sync guard now *repairs* instead of halting: a roster
gradient that reached the leader but not some follower (asymmetric WebRTC
mesh) is re-requested from the leader, bit-exact, and the run continues. The
guard still stops anything that would fork the weights.
**CUTLASS-style kernel work**, each step proven bit-identical or exact-gated:
- **Dispatch-optimized backward** (ex. 05/24): independent GEMMs overlapped,
sibling trios fused into batch-3 dispatches β bit-identical gradients,
dormant int8-backward path down from 1.63Γ to 1.21Γ vs float.
- **QKV dual-GEMM fusion** (ex. 45): q/k/v share one left operand β quantized
once, one batched dispatch, zero changed bits.
- **B2B MLP chain** (ex. 13 + 23): both MLP GEMMs back-to-back on the GPU with
a fused per-row absmax reduction; the intermediate is quantized on-device
via a WGSL-exact respec (`floor(f32(xΒ·invScale)+0.5)` β no GPU division)
whose fround-stepped JS mirror keeps mixed GPU/CPU fleets bit-identical.
**Profile-driven speed work** β every change below is bit-identical (gradient
and loss hashes unchanged), so none of it trades correctness for wall clock:
- **Buffer pooling**: GPU buffers are recycled by size bucket instead of being
created and destroyed per dispatch (~19 per MLP call, per layer, per step).
**6β10% faster**, every hash unchanged.
- **Shared-operand embedding GEMMs**: profiling put two f32 backward GEMMs at
**55% of the entire step**, and both consumed the same `dlogits` operand β
~17 MB at the 16512-token vocab, uploaded *twice*. One upload, one encoder,
one submit: that pair went 205 β 90 ms and the step **12% faster**. The
fusion is gated bit-for-bit against the two calls it replaces.
- **A negative result, kept on purpose**: the remaining hot kernel looked
cache-hostile (adjacent lanes wrote 66 KB apart), but making the writes
contiguous changed nothing. Two probes explain why β holding the output at
17 MB while cutting compute 32Γ barely moved the time. The logits GEMM is
**transfer-bound, not compute-bound**, and the readback cannot be removed
because softmax must stay in JS (WGSL's `exp` is not correctly rounded, and
a per-vendor `exp` would fork replicas). The real lever there is the
vocabulary, not the kernel.
- **An init backend race was tried and removed**: it tied on the shipped path,
cost ~430 ms of init, and made the backend vary between page loads, which
silently invalidated three A/B comparisons before it was caught. A knob that
changes what you are measuring is worse than a fixed choice.
**Dirty-buffer gate β and the assumption it falsified.** Pooling introduced a
bug class the gates predate: a pooled buffer is *not* zero-initialized, so a
kernel that assumes zeros is right on step one and wrong on step two. That is
a **state** bug, where no single call is wrong and the *sequence* is, which is
the family no oracle can reach. The assumption was that the gates were blind
to it. Mutation-testing the gate proved otherwise: deleting the zeroing made
the plain gate fail at its *second* shape, because the sweep's own shapes
recycle each other's buffers. The suite had **incidental** coverage nobody
designed, which is coverage nobody can rely on β shorten the shape list and it
evaporates with the gate still green. It is now deliberate: the pool is
poisoned with 1e4-magnitude residue before a re-sweep, so detection no longer
depends on ordering luck. ~90 ms one-time.
**Scoring the oracles against my OWN bugs** (`web/test_selfcorpus.js`) β the
external corpus measures kernel bugs someone else wrote down, so this suite
asks the harder question: what do the instruments score against the four real
bugs of the month? Properties **0/2** on the data-plane pair (the `cΒ·out`
theorem again), differential **2/2** β but half the bugs were not in the
kernels at all. A dead gate is a bug in a *checker*, caught only by mutating
the gate; a stalled roster gradient is a bug in the *protocol*, where every
computed value on every peer was correct, so no data oracle could fire. Those
needed different instruments, not better oracles.
All eleven test suites (`cd web && npm test`) pass; results with methodology in
[`web/TEST_RESULTS.md`](web/TEST_RESULTS.md).
---
## How it works
Each machine runs the **same** command; they form a cluster and train one shared
model. Two things happen:
1. **The compute runs through the emulated GPU logic.** By default the model is
built from `VerifiedLinear` layers, so every forward multiply / requantize /
ReLU is done by the **bundled verified INT8 units** (`daisychain/verified/`) β
the emulated GPU math. Rank 0 prints **cluster-wide unit-invocation counts**
so you can see the emulated logic doing the work.
2. **The machines are pooled data-parallel.** Each node trains on its own shard;
gradients are capacity-weighted and combined into the exact full-batch
gradient, so replicas stay **bit-identical**. Faster machines automatically
take a bigger share.
```
old machine A ββ
old machine B ββΌββΊ each runs the emulated GPU logic on its shard ββΊ one model
old machine C ββ (gradients combined across the cluster)
```
## Bring your own model
DaisyChain-Train trains any **Task** (`build_model` / `sample` / `loss`). Copy
`examples/my_task_template.py`, set `DAISY_TASK=your_module:YourTask`. Use
`VerifiedLinear` (see `daisychain/verified_task.py`) to run your model's compute
through the emulated units. See **[docs/CUSTOM_TASK.md](docs/CUSTOM_TASK.md)**.
## Plain-float alternative
To skip the emulated units and train with normal float math on each machine, set
`DAISY_TASK=daisychain.example_task:ExampleTask`. Same cluster, same pooling β
the model math just runs as ordinary float instead of through the verified units.
## The dashboard
`daisychain-dashboard` (or the Docker service) serves a Tailwind page at `:8080`
β readiness banner, P2P connectivity scan, pooled cores/RAM + capacity plan
(per-node device, weight, batch), and live training loss.
## Networking
Use **Tailscale** for a P2P mesh so machines on different networks get stable IPs
on one interface β **[docs/TAILSCALE.md](docs/TAILSCALE.md)**.
---
## Layout
```
daisychain/cluster.py capacity-weighted CPU/GPU data-parallel trainer
daisychain/train.py entry point (daisychain-train)
daisychain/verified/ bundled trained N/N units + VerifiedLinear (train through them)
daisychain/verified_task.py default task: forward runs on the verified units
daisychain/example_task.py plain-float alternative task
daisychain/task.py the Task interface + loader
daisychain/dashboard/ agent + P2P scanner + Tailwind server
docker/ Dockerfile, dashboard image, compose (demo cluster)
scripts/setup.bat / setup.sh interactive setup helpers
config/ nodes + cluster env examples
examples/my_task_template.py starting point for your own model
docs/ QUICKSTART, LIMITS, CUSTOM_TASK, TAILSCALE
daisychain/spikewhale_task.py trains the real SpikeWhale on streamed HF datasets
daisychain/spikewhale_panel.py slider control panel (localhost:8899)
web/ DaisyChain-Web: P2P browser training (WebRTC + WebGPU)
export_luts_web.py regenerates web/public LUTs from the trained units
```
## Install
```bash
pip install torch numpy psutil
pip install -e . # exposes: daisychain-train, daisychain-agent, daisychain-dashboard
```
Requires Python β₯ 3.9, PyTorch β₯ 2.0. Multi-node is reliable on **Linux/macOS**;
on **Windows use Docker/WSL** (see [Limitations](docs/LIMITS.md)).
---
## Links
- **DaisyChain on Hugging Face:** https://huggingface.co/DaisyChainAI
- **This model:** https://huggingface.co/DaisyChainAI/DaisyChain-Train
**License:** MIT Β· **Author:** Dean Byrne (Quazim0t0) Β· **Org:** DaisyChainAI
## Citation
```bibtex
@misc{byrne2026daisychain,
title = {DaisyChain-Train: An Old Hardware Training Pipeline},
author = {Byrne, Dean (Quazim0t0)},
year = {2026},
howpublished = {\url{https://huggingface.co/DaisyChainAI/DaisyChain-Train}},
note = {Chain spare/old machines into a data-parallel training cluster}
}
```
**Dean Byrne (Quazim0t0)** Β· 2026
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